Reply With QuoteThey are home at the moment. But for very short time. So I have a short window opportunity to send them more stuff soon.Originally Posted by Createdeemcee
I've seen them shoot PMs at the range. I would hate to be on the receiving side. They are definitely pretty good with those.
They are home at the moment. But for very short time. So I have a short window opportunity to send them more stuff soon.
I used to have a couple of Russian Makarovs. I really admired the pistol. My $200 Makarov was more reliable and accurate than my $600 Walther PPK. So much for the myth of German equipment being better than Russian.
Of course, I did have one complaint: to be compatible with stupid American "Saturday Night Special" laws the Makarovs had to have fragile adjustable rear sights.
I would love to get my hands on a genuine military issue PM pistol!
Hehehe the word better should be used on individual level. I dont think German weapons are better than Russian. Just like I dont think Russian weapons are better than German.
Each selection has their good, and their not so good weapons.
I dont care much for PM or the later PMM model with more rounds. Out of all the Russian pistols I've shot, I enjoyed the following the most
APS (Stechkin) - 20 rounds, full auto in case you need it, good weight makes the recoil feel less jumpy, longer barrel for accuracy.
Pistolet Yarigina "Grach" - I liked it a lot. It was well balanced in my hand, performed very nicely with the cheapest sirplus ammo, accurate (very accurate), easy to change mags, and not heavy at all.
PSM - even though it packs 8 rounds, but you have 5.45x18 ammo. That thing will slice through a good chunk of armor. NO RECOIL, very accurate, compact, wish they sold them more here for personal use.
As for real Soviet Izhmech Makarov, those are hard to find (without any importation markings). A few of my friends had them, and they bought them for $500 each. Thats good if you are a collector, and care for authenticity. Because I couldnt tell much difference between a Russian genuine military PM, and a Bulgarian civilian model while target shooting.
Yo Wazzaap,you are the man.Thanx for sharing.
Zane, here are some photos I took of the handguns I've shot with Izhmech Representatives in Russia 2003
Interesting, Roman, I recognize the Makarov, Stechkin, and PSM, but the others I'm not familiar with. (The really flat pistol serial number EB1247 is a PSM, correct?)
The PM's grips also look strange compared to the ones on my pistols.
My friend has just been accepted to 16 OBR SPN GRU. Now, Im gonna patiently wait for new photos
Im so proud and happy for him!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please identify the Artillery gun being towed by the truck in the 7th pics of the parade photos.
congratulations to your friend!
Congrats to your friend. It takes a lot of commitment to get that far. What an awesome message for him.
Perhaps you are not aware that the Makarov is a derivative, to a degree even a copy of the Walther PP design. From my experience and more or less by general consensus the Eastern German (and later, federal German) manufactured ones are superior to those from Izhevsk which are in turn of considerably higher quality than those built by Norinco and Arsenal in Bulgaria. Not to contradict your experiences, but I think in general differences in reliability and accuracy between a German or Russian Makarov and a good (German or Manurhin-built) Walther PPK are at any rate marginal, and actually I suspect that such a PPK would be the slightly (as mentioned, those differences are academic) more accurate gun. You should consider that the vast majority of US-owned PPKs have not been built in Germany but in the USA by InterArms, and may not been the equals of their European brethren in fit, finish, and quality control.
The PM offers an interesting field for the collector, but for defensive purposes there is a plethora of better designs.
I am aware it's derivative. My father owns a DDR-made military issue Makarov that I am STILL trying to talk him out of.
It's obviously a well-made pistol.
You do have a point about the InterArms made PPK's: I had forgotten, but I believe you are correct in that the US-made PPK's were not as reliable as the German ones. It's been at least fifteen years since I owned mine, so I had forgotten that difference.
I am convinced, though, that the PPK's tighter tolerances may make it less reliable than the PM. If I remember correctly, the PM was a simpler design.
As for defense? Give me a Glock any day.
i think i asked this before,but no one answered: do the russians still use there steel helmets for most operations or is everything kevlar now?
last time Russian "troops" (if you mean Ministry of Defence) used their soldiers in action, yes they still had older version helmtes.
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