PC Indulgence = Death at Fort Hood

[SilentType]

Until proven otherwise the assumption has to be that the man was acting as part of a terrorist effort. If you're wrong than no more harm, but if you assume that he was "mentally ill" and it turns out he was a part of something bigger other people might be harmed.

I don't get where this fear that we'll harm Muslims out of some rage about a Terrorist killing our soldiers comes from. We have Muslims every month who kill our people in Afghanistan and Iraq. That hasn't lead to some huge violence spree carried about by U.S. citizens against Muslims.

We lost 2,998 people on 9/11 and I didn't see some massive uprising of violence against Muslims in the United States of America.

The fear that a significant group of U.S. citizens are going to do something illegal is completely unjustified and insulting. The fear that somehow others in the military will discriminate when that would be illegal is insulting.

Fear of violence or discrimination is completely unfounded. Worse of all it may cloud common sense.

[California Joe]

Originally Posted by SilentType

Until proven otherwise the assumption has to be that the man was acting as part of a terrorist effort. If you're wrong than no more harm, but if you assume that he was "mentally ill" and it turns out he was a part of something bigger other people might be harmed.

I don't get where this fear that we'll harm Muslims out of some rage about a Terrorist killing our soldiers comes from. We have Muslims every month who kill our people in Afghanistan and Iraq. That hasn't lead to some huge violence spree carried about by U.S. citizens against Muslims.

We lost 2,998 people on 9/11 and I didn't see some massive uprising of violence against Muslims in the United States of America.

The fear that a significant group of U.S. citizens are going to do something illegal is completely unjustified and insulting. The fear that somehow others in the military will discriminate when that would be illegal is insulting.

Fear of violence or discrimination is completely unfounded. Worse of all it may cloud common sense.

Actually you have it completely backwards. Until proven otherwise, he's just an asshole that snapped and used his faith to justify shooting people. You don't think there is a massive ongoing investigation involving military and federal law enforcement?

Maybe the fact that we interned a whole sh*tload of Japanese citzens once upon a time gives people pause when nimrods start acting like the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

[SilentType]

Originally Posted by California Joe

Actually you have it completely backwards. Until proven otherwise, he's just an asshole that snapped and used his faith to justify shooting people. You don't think there is a massive ongoing investigation involving military and federal law enforcement?

Maybe the fact that we interned a whole sh*tload of Japanese citzens once upon a time gives people pause when nimrods start acting like the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

I'm suggesting that from a military, intelligence, and law enforcement view yes during the investigation phase it is important to assume the worse and exhaust all possibilities.

It is HIS job to raise the defense of Insanity. NOT the states. Look it up. So you're 110% wrong about the burden of proof of insanity.

Where is anyone suggesting that we intern Muslim citizens like we did the Japanese?

If someone threatens a Muslim or harms a Muslim in this nation without being able to put forward an affirmative defense they can be charged with a crime. How did this guy killing anyone change that?

[HGRazorR]

^^ I don't think CJ's talking about an insanity defense, but murder 1 vs. murder 2

[Connaught Ranger]

Originally Posted by Geezah

Maybe you need to go back and start reading this thread from the start.

The guy did a piss poor job, he was drawing attention to himself over 6mths ago, due to his somewhat radical postings, yet nothing had been done about it.

Now, are you arguing the point due to him not being white, or are you arguing the point that you truly believe this guy was a good guy and has been painted as a bad guy wrongly?
Do you believe that this guy was overlooked only because it was a mistake on the part of the Military or because no-one wanted the PC Brigade breathing down their neck?

I am arguing the point that people need to be able prove, that what they are posting is true and not supposition or hearsay, in other words for the hard of understanding FACTS.

As the person in question (Hasan), is subject to an official murder investigation, which will lead to a criminal trial, then, all the supposition, hearsay, and comments, (offered here with no source or proof to back then up) by those bigots posting crap and insults, is pure meaningless as well as being totally pointless.

Connaught Ranger.

[haze99]

Well, since most everyone here has adopted moral-relativity, I suggest none of you go to www.jihadwatch.org or listen to anything Walid Shoebat has to to say. You won't want to hear it.

[Royal]

Originally Posted by haze99

Well, since most everyone here has adopted moral-relativity, I suggest none of you go to www.jihadwatch.org or listen to anything Walid Shoebat has to to say. You won't want to hear it.

Nothing like a former loon for getting on his high horse and spouting shyte...

Shoebat's not even credible as an ex-loon.

Terrorist walt is about as close as you can get...