Russia stresses tolerance on national holiday

[Switek]

Originally Posted by shoora

Actually, this day hurts Poles very much. Bacause it was officially connected to event which puts end to their plans to colonize Russia and build greatest empire in eastern europe. Basically, they lost this place to russia. It really hurts.
Please, respect their feelings.

What a BS!!! Seems that the author of soviet education system would be proud of you.

This is what we are talking about:

[Redox]

You really have to wonder why these rallys are not instantly dissolved by police like they usually do with pro democracy / opposition rallys.

edit:
Why do these people even dare to behave like that. They do not seem to fear that the police beats the crap out of them, like one might expect.

[sepheronx]

Now I am wondering.............What does the education entail? I mean, don't they teach about the second world war and about how Nazi's where evil (much like ours)? If that is the case, and in the sense that they understand that the Nazi's wanted to exterminate their race, that they still think it is alright to spew out Nazi slogans and such?

And what is the amount of these people? I understand there are a lot of Neo Nazi's in Russia, but how many? In comparrison to people who understand other cultures and acknowledge them?

I mean, I speak to Russians at work all the time, and they are very intelligent. They seem to be very understanding and acknowledge all races. I know not all, but still?

Could it be just that these people get more media attention, thus it just seems that the country is just racist to begin with?

[void]

Originally Posted by sepheronx

Now I am wondering.............What does the education entail? I mean, don't they teach about the second world war and about how Nazi's where evil (much like ours)? If that is the case, and in the sense that they understand that the Nazi's wanted to exterminate their race, that they still think it is alright to spew out Nazi slogans and such?

And what is the amount of these people? I understand there are a lot of Neo Nazi's in Russia, but how many? In comparrison to people who understand other cultures and acknowledge them?

I mean, I speak to Russians at work all the time, and they are very intelligent. They seem to be very understanding and acknowledge all races. I know not all, but still?

Could it be just that these people get more media attention, thus it just seems that the country is just racist to begin with?

These people are barely able to tie their own shoelaces and perform basic bodily functions. They are not able to piece together basic concepts such as "Hitler tried to exterminate slavic people" and "I am supporting Hitler"

[Switek]

@shoora, sepheronx

Despite the fact that many media in Poland describes this holiday as "anti Polish" most my countrymen do no bother. What more there's no nostalgia about golden ages of 1st Rzeczpospolita right now. We are directed toward the West where we belong and where is our future.

As I stated already, the fact that Poles here kicked on Nov. 4th 1612 and had to back away doesn't hurt me any most Poles, what you, according to soviet propaganda, insist. You shoora, must one of the Mr. "I know what other feels" but you failed claiming

Basically, they lost this place to russia. It really hurts.
Please, respect their feelings.

What is biased simplification and not entitled generalization based of soviet version of history how to "Polskie Pany" gang up on to grab Russian land.

[hastati]

Switek is of course right. Me bet is that most of the Poles don't remember or even know about our expeditions 1609-1612 so how they can have any feelings about this day?

[sepheronx]

Originally Posted by Switek

@shoora, sepheronx

Despite the fact that many media in Poland describes this holiday as "anti Polish" most my countrymen do no bother. What more there's no nostalgia about golden ages of 1st Rzeczpospolita right now. We are directed toward the West where we belong and where is our future.

As I stated already, the fact that Poles here kicked on Nov. 4th 1612 and had to back away doesn't hurt me any most Poles, what you, according to soviet propaganda, insist. You shoora, must one of the Mr. "I know what other feels" but you failed claiming
What is biased simplification and not entitled generalization based of soviet version of history how to "Polskie Pany" gang up on to grab Russian land.

This isn't because the west is paying while the east isn't, right? I mean, we all know Poland went from one sugar daddy to the other.

Edit: Yeah, I mean, Poland may be right beside Russia. Germany and France may be doing a lot of business in Russia, Poland wants to stir ****. I mean, they belong to the west, but their geological location does not.

[Switek]

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

[sepheronx]

Originally Posted by Switek

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

haha. OK.

I thought a little good joke would have been in place for such a serious thread with such serious people.

Question though Switek. What is it that makes Poland a western Country? What has it shown? what has it proven?

I will now be serious in saying that Poland has done nothing other then complain about how Russia does business, yet still supports a crap dictatorship in Ukraine. I don't understand poland, and yes, I understand that there is a history that shows Poland and Russia having its squabbles, but calling me a troll and not actually looking at yourself is both hilarious and humiliating (for both you and me). You may insult me and you may throw jabs at me, but I still don't quite understand your objectives. Me, I may like Russia. My reason is because everyone ****s on the country, and I find it interesting that everyone does, when the country is no different then any other (actually, quite better then some). But maybe it is just rhetorics placed from propaganda? Maybe it is something we fear from them?

I have to throw jabs and jokes around (regardless if it makes me looking like a troll, douche or whatever). Because I can no longer take anyone on this site seriously, when it comes to going against Russia or for it. Just as much with Poland and USA and various other countries.

But for you Switek, just for you.

Russia Evil. Putin Evil. They kill innocent journalists. They eat Georgian babies. They eat everyones babies.

Am I missing something?

Edit: I just wanted to say, is that your credibility went down the toilet when you make statements like "Putin this and that". You turned this thread into a Putin = ****lawlstorm. Why? Why did you do that? I dont understand when this had nothing to do with Putin but to do with Neo-Nazis. Why? I am just wondering, as it makes no sense.

[hidayatnw]

Neo Nazi scumbags are just bunch of idiot, moron, jobless, unintelligent creature...

[Switek]

Originally Posted by sepheronx

haha. Ok.

I thought a little good joke would have been in place for such a serious thread with such serious people.

if it was a joke, it was bad taste then.

question though switek. What is it that makes poland a western country? What has it shown? What has it proven?

first of all, baptizing of poland according to roma's rite, latin alphabet, and whole history where italian, german, french influences in language, art, agriculture are part of our current identity. Nowadays is we belong to eu and nato and share the same values.

i will now be serious in saying that poland has done nothing other then complain about how russia does business, yet still supports a crap dictatorship in ukraine.

calling yuschchenko dictator is not entitled. Right now, of course. He still has valid legal mandate given by people in commonly acknowledged free elections.
In fact it's not about business but politics and history.


i don't understand poland, and yes, i understand that there is a history that shows poland and russia having its squabbles, but calling me a troll and not actually looking at yourself is both hilarious and humiliating (for both you and me). You may insult me and you may throw jabs at me, but i still don't quite understand your objectives. Me, i may like russia. My reason is because everyone ****s on the country, and i find it interesting that everyone does, when the country is no different then any other (actually, quite better then some). But maybe it is just rhetorics placed from propaganda? Maybe it is something we fear from them?

I have to throw jabs and jokes around (regardless if it makes me looking like a troll, douche or whatever). Because i can no longer take anyone on this site seriously, when it comes to going against russia or for it. Just as much with poland and usa and various other countries.

i have nothing against russia and russians. I enjoy reading sergey lukyanenko (who is my favorite sf writer) books and watching russian channel (in polish) in my sat tv. I have seep respect toward many russians but i do criticize current russian internal and international policy because is just short view and sooner or late will bring new problems and challenges.

In fact, for bad polish - rusian relations (not economic or political because they're quite well now) i'd blame both polish and russian authorities because the cultural exchange and personal communication are not significant. From one side is russian pride - "for us big russians partners are germany, usa, france..." from another is polish pride "those barbarian hordes of ruskies have nothing to offer us".

Sorry but bad will is on both sides

but for you switek, just for you.

Russia evil. Putin evil. They kill innocent journalists. They eat georgian babies. They eat everyones babies.

Am i missing something?

Edit: I just wanted to say, is that your credibility went down the toilet when you make statements like "putin this and that". You turned this thread into a putin = ****lawlstorm. Why? Why did you do that? I dont understand when this had nothing to do with putin but to do with neo-nazis. Why? I am just wondering, as it makes no sense.

my main criticism toward putin administration and pm himself isn't his goals but the way he's going to achieve. The same was when nud implemented. I'm not against russian nationalism but it showed not nice face what makes questions about real intention of russian government valid. From one hand really independent, small rallies are dispelled by police batons.

Yes in countries which are facade democracies leaders pays for their and their administration decisions, even if are not personally involved.

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[Jack Daniels]

Originally Posted by Switek

sepheronx, I thought you can be taken seriously but you show that you're another ****** troll.

Switak, is there anyone on this forum who you actually didn't call a troll so far? Somehow anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

[hastati]

If you don't understand why he was called "troll" - you are probably troll too.

[lightfire]

Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Switak, is there anyone on this forum who you actually didn't call a troll so far? Somehow anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

sepheronx has been banned for trolling in the past and known as "making Canadians look bad". Pretty sure, he's not even a Canadian, but a comrade patriot living in warm exile/ Anyway, his posts have been reported, and as this thread goes down the drain as usual, he'll be infracted/banned once again.

[sarhat]

I think, when "event" was chosen, main was "it should be near Day Of October".
So it could be something B.C. easily