UK Soft justice: How thugs can batter victims like this and get a caution

[eurekaa]

UK Soft justice: How thugs can batter victims like this and get a caution

THESE are the battered faces that shame justice – by proving it has gone soft on thugs.


In every case the victim was savagely beaten, bottled or even bitten.
But each attacker was let off with a slap on the wrist.

A TV probe to be shown next week reveals the scale on which offenders are being given cautions to unclog the courts – sparking accusations that it is justice on the cheap.

The investigation by the BBC’s Panorama found that last year 38,952 offenders received a caution for ABH – a charge that could carry a jail term of up to five years.

Petite Lauren, 25, of Newcastle, said: “The police said it was ABH and I thought he’d go to prison. Then they told me he’d admitted everything and they were giving him a caution. I said, ‘It’s unacceptable. How can you give him a slap on the wrist?’”


Student Dean Martin was gouged in the face with a bottle in a pub toilet. He said: “I nearly fainted at the amount of blood I was losing.”
The unprovoked attack left him needing 24 stitches – yet it was dealt with by a caution.

A third victim, John Guest, was beaten up in his own home – but his attacker got a conditional caution and was told to pay £200 compensation.





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Stupid Justice , its the same here in my home country ..

I still remember that day ( 8 years ago ) when a thief/thug invade my friend's house at midnight , my friend start to fight/beating him to defend his property/family . the dude was bleeding with some bruises on his face/body.

Any way , afterward my friend call the police , but what happened was a bit shocking , they took the thug to hospital and my friend to prison

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

There are two sides to every story, and I myself have got away with assault charges simply because in the eyes of the cops the other guy was a complete d*ck who had it coming. My Dad was charged with assault but at the same time was told it will go to court but your going to get away with it, and he did.

[Red-Phos]

Why are you suddenly starting on a bash of the UK? You have posted things before about us im sure we can dig some stuff up on you Arabs.

[Connaught Ranger]

Originally Posted by eurekaa

Stupid Justice , its the same here in my home country ..

I still remember that day ( 8 years ago ) when a thief/thug invade my friend's house at midnight , my friend start to fight/beating him to defend his property/family . the dude was bleeding with some bruises on his face/body.

Any way , afterward my friend call the police , but what happened was a bit shocking , they took the thug to hospital and my friend to prison

Maybe down to the cells at the local Police station,

but I doubt if they put him in H.M. Prison.

[Rugal09]

Originally Posted by Bacilluspolymyxa

There are two sides to every story, and I myself have got away with assault charges simply because in the eyes of the cops the other guy was a complete d*ck who had it coming. My Dad was charged with assault but at the same time was told it will go to court but your going to get away with it, and he did.

True but nobody deserves to be beaten, stabbed, cut etc regardless of the provocation. You cannot take the law into your own hands. Assault is still assault.

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

Originally Posted by Rugal09

True but nobody deserves to be beaten, stabbed, cut etc regardless of the provocation. You cannot take the law into your own hands. Assault is still assault.

Oh I dunno about that.

[Rugal09]

Originally Posted by Bacilluspolymyxa

Oh I dunno about that.

but then that would be vigilante justice. It would no longer be a question of who's right and who's wrong but more who's weak and who's strong.

In anycase I don't see how any guy can defend beating up a woman or a senior citizen. If they were threatening your life with a weapon that would be self defense and understandable but what other defense can one claim?

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

Originally Posted by Rugal09

but then that would be vigilante justice. It would no longer be a question of who's right and who's wrong but more who's weak and who's strong.

In anycase I don't see how any guy can defend beating up a woman or a senior citizen. If they were threatening your life with a weapon that would be self defense and understandable but what other defense can one claim?

Oh you could justify beating a women or an old foggie very easily. My mate stopped a guy beating seven bells out of his woman one night only to have the girl crack his head open with one of her high heels he actually had to land one on her jaw just to get her stop.

[mas36]

Originally Posted by Rugal09

True but nobody deserves to be beaten, stabbed, cut etc regardless of the provocation. You cannot take the law into your own hands. Assault is still assault.

therein lies the crux of the problem. If the State does not allow for legally armed citizenry, or even a modicum of self-defense, then the State is in fact assuming responsibility of not only arresting criminals but also metting out a form of justice which is acceptable to the victim. If the State cannot, or worse yet -does not wish to pass suitable punishment, then this is the result. A victimized society will only take this for so long. Either officials begin punishing offenders accordingly or citizens will begin to take matters in their own hands.

The question then is: which road do you want to take?

[eurekaa]

Originally Posted by Red-Phos

Why are you suddenly starting on a bash of the UK? You have posted things before about us im sure we can dig some stuff up on you Arabs.

Sure you can , we are not perfect ..

Also in this thread I already said: " its the same thing in my home country" - and maybe worse in many cases - and I did give example to approve this with the story i mention in my comment .

In one word , its just news !
and No , I have nothing against UK if you wonder .

please , don't take it personally

Thanks in advance for understanding

Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger

Maybe down to the cells at the local Police station,

but I doubt if they put him in H.M. Prison.

Yes , this what happened actually , and then to court

[BAF]

The first day that somebody breaks into my house when somebody is home they will probably pay for it with their life. Seeing we are armed and willing to protect everyone and everything inside of this house. This has got nothing to do with taking the law into youre own hands, its called self defence.

[Rugal09]

Originally Posted by mas36

therein lies the crux of the problem. If the State does not allow for legally armed citizenry, or even a modicum of self-defense, then the State is in fact assuming responsibility of not only arresting criminals but also metting out a form of justice which is acceptable to the victim. If the State cannot, or worse yet -does not wish to pass suitable punishment, then this is the result. A victimized society will only take this for so long. Either officials begin punishing offenders accordingly or citizens will begin to take matters in their own hands.

The question then is: which road do you want to take?

What about simply subduing the enemy? No need for any vicious beatings, knife slashes, crowbars etc. If it is within your power, subdue the enemy and restrain them. This is assuming that your life is not in any immediate danger. If it is, then by all means use whatever is necessary to survive.

I guess the reason British authorities are not forthcoming in punishing attackers is because:

a) the jails are already packed (with vicious criminals)and there is simply no space.

b) every additional inmate adds to govt expense (which comes from tax payers)

c) rehabilitation is preferred over punishment as an effective deterrent to crime. (debateable)
.

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

Originally Posted by Rugal09

What about simply subduing the enemy? No need for any vicious beatings, knife slashes, crowbars etc. If it is within your power, subdue the enemy and restrain them. This is assuming that your life is not in any immediate danger. If it is, then by all means use whatever is necessary to survive.

I guess the reason British authorities are not forthcoming in punishing attackers is because:

a) the jails are already packed (with vicious criminals)and there is simply no space.

b) every additional inmate adds to govt expense (which comes from tax payers)

c) rehabilitation is preferred over punishment as an effective deterrent to crime. (debateable)
.

One article on people who were assaulted and the attackers were in the eyes of the press let of lightly does not mean the English and Scottish judicial systems are handing out get of jail cards to all and sundry. Anyways all three in the article look like right cheeky f*ckers.

[Tokamak]

Originally Posted by Red-Phos

Why are you suddenly starting on a bash of the UK? You have posted things before about us im sure we can dig some stuff up on you Arabs.

He seems to have a fixation with the UK. However, I would be really mad if someone would attack my wife or son and get away with it without any sort of punishment. By personal experience I know they (Chavs) don't need a reason to attack someone.

[Albatross]

Originally Posted by Rugal09

True but nobody deserves to be beaten, stabbed, cut etc regardless of the provocation. You cannot take the law into your own hands. Assault is still assault.

I am going to go ahead and disagree with you here. Plenty of people deserve a good old ass kicking.

Who ever did that to the girl and the other guy who invaded dudes house should be locked down, but the dude who got it at the pub. You went to a pub, exchanged words with the wrong guy and got popped. Smarten up champ.