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I'd like detailed information on this event. I searched the web and I can't find any credible source on what happened and why it happened. So help?
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This might help.
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Thank you Stig!
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Some photographs from the Liberation of Goa, from the same source:
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Papa Smurf
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40 000 vs. 2 000 poor armed. No great military story there
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Papa Smurf
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No hate. Portuguese fascist government back then shuld have given Goa, Daman and Diu long before things arrived at Operation Vijay. Only smart one were the portuguese and indian military. Portuguese military stoped resistance after they became aware that it would be suicidal to keep resisting (Salazar ordered them to be "victorious or dead"). Indian military did their best to avoid a blood shed and portuguese POW were treated with great dignity.
But goans lived well back then (as they live since then with India rule). They are still waiting the referendum on autonomy or independence promised by India in 1961 tought. |
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Nobody is waiting for a referendum in Goa.
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Papa Smurf
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http://www.freegoa.com/ - It's worth what it's worth, probably nothing. |
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Freegoa is from the same webdesigners as Dalitstan.org and a number of anti-Indian and anti-Hindu sites.
They were disclosed in US Congress white papers to be websites created by Islamic terror group Lashkar e Taiba, a founding member group of Al Queda. Apparently, not only do they serve as poor propaganda pieces trying to back up Pakistan's claim of 'a hundred revolutions in India', but they also have been used to send messages to Al Queda cells in Europe and America. As someone who's been to Goa, I have to say Goanese are more patriotic than the average Indian, perhaps even hyper patriotic. Perhaps because the legacy of colonial rule is so recent there. The Indian army went in only after the Goanese themselves launched a popular a Gandhist non-violent mass resistance movement that was crushed by the then Portuguese government. In many cases, the people themselves disarmed the colonial police before Indian troops reached. But that website blatantly (of course) lies. India never promised a referrendum in Goa, and no Goanese group or people, outside the fantasy mind of that propagandist, ever even asked for referrendum. It's as incongruous a matter as Wyoming asking for a referrendum But you are right, it was no major military story. After the carnation revolutions that toppled Facist Portugal, India and Portugal enjoy good relations, and a shared history. |
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Not trying to start a flame war but what was the historical background of the Portuguese colonies? Were they possessions or on some kind of loan basis like Hong Kong and if not why were they not given up during partition (i.e. did they not think now the Brits are getting out should we not go as well)? Did India have a legal basis for taking them as in Portugal said they were leaving and didn't? Just curious I knew the places were former colonies but didn't know they were taken back by force.
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The Portugese wanted complete control of the spice trade between the Indies and Europe by-passing the Ottomans.
They set up colonies along the route via the Cape of Good Hope into the Indian Ocean. There were colonies and trading outposts in Oman, Bahrain, Maldives, several enclaves in India, Mulacca, East Timor, Macao, and in Japan. When Brazil was colonized and other Eurpoean powers (Britain and Holland) started to enter into Asia, much of the Portugese importance in Asia subsided. Britian and Portugal have an historic alliance and did not challenge each other, however the Dutch were much more aggressive taking away Mulacca. At the time when Goa was taken over by the Indians, Portugal was one of the poorest and most politically repressed nation in Europe. When the Red Guards took over Macao during the Cultural Revolution, the Portugese wanted to leave. Zhou Enlai and Mao decided it want not time yet. Macao was not considered a colony per se but "Chinese territory under Portugese Administration". |
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The episode you are refering to occured in 1955, right after a number of portuguese forts were (peacefully) invaded by a number of satyagrahis(who i believe were Indian not Goanese) who raised the India flag. The 20 unharmed satyagrahis who were killed by portuguese troops were 'inocent' victims of a struggle between right-wing portuguese government and communism who was spreading fast in India - remember the communist-led riots that occured in India after the satyagrahis were shot? My point is: Portuguese acted shamefuly for shooting unharmed protesters. But there was no wide public campaing in Goa, Daman and Diu against portuguese. Proof is the many hundreds of Goanese that visited and brought food to the portuguese POW in 1961 (eventought their european colonialist vs native relationship, wich really existed). Let me just repeat myself: Goa, Daman and Diu should have been independent, at least from the time the french delivered their indian colonies. Quote:
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Salazar was very stubborn and never addmited leaving Goa. He made a desperat effort in the UN and the Internation Court of Justice to back Portugal claims. |
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I understand that surrounding state of Gujarat is completely `dry' (No booze). And that Daman and Diu's autonomus nature allows it to become a booze haven lined up with bars, clubs, and liquior stores.
I guess Daman and Diu could become the next Las Vegas or Macau to cater the new Indian Yuppies. |
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