Fire hedgehog

Sergei · 06-29-2008, 06:31 AM

This was the name of a system to mow down infantry. It consisted of 88 PPSH guns located in the Tu-2 bomb bay.

The system is lowered for reloading.

Major_Ass · 06-29-2008, 06:49 AM

Wow, Ive never ever seen anything like this b4 from WW2 era, that's certainly a rather amazing concept for the time.. what would the firing time be? 10secs? then fly back for reload?

thanks for the pics

Paddy51 · 06-29-2008, 08:56 AM

Never heard of this weapon. Very interesting and thanks very much for sharing.

flanker7 · 06-29-2008, 08:59 AM

MetalStorm uncestor

Supplanter · 06-29-2008, 09:02 AM

Is this right? PPSH fires 900 rounds per minute X 88 guns = 79200 rounds per minute, wow

LRPV · 06-29-2008, 09:07 AM

Nice find, was it ever deployed? The 7.62x 25mm pistol cartridge leads me to wonder just how low the pilot had to fly.

Birger · 06-29-2008, 10:43 AM

Whoa.. certainly wouldn't mind to see a testfire

Nephilim · 06-29-2008, 11:05 AM

Wow. Thats pretty overkill

i remember reading that the germans back then installed a similar mechanism on fighters like the 109ers to destroy allied bombers.
dont think it were THAT much guns installed, but it was similar.
the guns faced upwards and were activated through foto-cells.

Squeezee · 06-29-2008, 11:30 AM

Yeah. The Nazis also had a plane that flew up over bomber formations and shot rockets into them from rocket pods. I want to say the ME-163 Komet, but I can't find anything to say that it was.

LRPV, I agree with you, but when things fall from the sky then gain speed. Anyway, that thing is neat looking. I wouldn't mind seeing it in action.

Nephilim · 06-29-2008, 04:17 PM

the komet had only guns afaik.

the rocketplane with the rocketpod in the nose was the natter.

Britboy · 06-29-2008, 04:41 PM

Woah... it would suck to be underneath one of those things...

Wonder if it was as noisy as a Phalanx shoot? 88 SMGs all at once - nasty!

Squeezee · 06-29-2008, 05:02 PM

I know the Natter had rockets in the nose, but didn't it dive down on top if its targets? I am pretty sure it did, not like th plane I am thinking of.

JJB1970 · 06-29-2008, 05:17 PM

Nice post, Sergei. That's certainly a variant of the Tu-2 I had not seen before!

Reminds me of all the things the Luftwaffe tried with the Henschel Hs 129--multiple recoiless rifles, 75mm cannon, and I think they even experimented with a mortar system.

Many thanks for the info!

Fade · 06-29-2008, 05:24 PM

Impressive, thanks Sergei!

Seraphim · 06-29-2008, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeezee

Yeah. The Nazis also had a plane that flew up over bomber formations and shot rockets into them from rocket pods. I want to say the ME-163 Komet, but I can't find anything to say that it was.

LRPV, I agree with you, but when things fall from the sky then gain speed. Anyway, that thing is neat looking. I wouldn't mind seeing it in action.

Terminal velocity. Look it up.

06-29-2008, 06:31 AM	#1
Sergei Banned user Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kiev, Ukraine Posts: 2,348	Fire hedgehog This was the name of a system to mow down infantry. It consisted of 88 PPSH guns located in the Tu-2 bomb bay. The system is lowered for reloading.

06-29-2008, 11:30 AM	#9
Squeezee Pulling my head in before someone does it for me Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: B0st0n Posts: 2,976	Yeah. The Nazis also had a plane that flew up over bomber formations and shot rockets into them from rocket pods. I want to say the ME-163 Komet, but I can't find anything to say that it was. LRPV, I agree with you, but when things fall from the sky then gain speed. Anyway, that thing is neat looking. I wouldn't mind seeing it in action. Last edited by Squeezee; 06-29-2008 at 05:00 PM.

06-29-2008, 05:02 PM	#12
Squeezee Pulling my head in before someone does it for me Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: B0st0n Posts: 2,976	I know the Natter had rockets in the nose, but didn't it dive down on top if its targets? I am pretty sure it did, not like th plane I am thinking of. Last edited by Squeezee; 06-29-2008 at 05:12 PM.

06-29-2008, 06:49 AM	#2
Major_Ass Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 56	Wow, Ive never ever seen anything like this b4 from WW2 era, that's certainly a rather amazing concept for the time.. what would the firing time be? 10secs? then fly back for reload? thanks for the pics

06-29-2008, 08:56 AM	#3
Paddy51 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North East Scotland. Posts: 1,401	Never heard of this weapon. Very interesting and thanks very much for sharing.

06-29-2008, 08:59 AM	#4
flanker7 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: cyprus Age: 32 Posts: 4,533	MetalStorm uncestor

06-29-2008, 09:02 AM	#5
Supplanter Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: "The Best Place on Earth" Age: 26 Posts: 1,962	Is this right? PPSH fires 900 rounds per minute X 88 guns = 79200 rounds per minute, wow

06-29-2008, 09:07 AM	#6
LRPV Rough head Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,108	Nice find, was it ever deployed? The 7.62x 25mm pistol cartridge leads me to wonder just how low the pilot had to fly.

06-29-2008, 10:43 AM	#7
Birger Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Age: 21 Posts: 151	Whoa.. certainly wouldn't mind to see a testfire

06-29-2008, 11:05 AM	#8
Nephilim Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 1,237	Wow. Thats pretty overkill i remember reading that the germans back then installed a similar mechanism on fighters like the 109ers to destroy allied bombers. dont think it were THAT much guns installed, but it was similar. the guns faced upwards and were activated through foto-cells.

06-29-2008, 04:17 PM	#10
Nephilim Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 1,237	the komet had only guns afaik. the rocketplane with the rocketpod in the nose was the natter.

06-29-2008, 04:41 PM	#11
Britboy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hanging out of your mam's backdoors ya slaaaagggs! Posts: 2,216	Woah... it would suck to be underneath one of those things... Wonder if it was as noisy as a Phalanx shoot? 88 SMGs all at once - nasty!

06-29-2008, 05:17 PM	#13
JJB1970 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tucson Age: 39 Posts: 411	Nice post, Sergei. That's certainly a variant of the Tu-2 I had not seen before! Reminds me of all the things the Luftwaffe tried with the Henschel Hs 129--multiple recoiless rifles, 75mm cannon, and I think they even experimented with a mortar system. Many thanks for the info!

06-29-2008, 05:24 PM	#14
Fade Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In freedom, which others have died for so that I may have it. Posts: 5,896	Impressive, thanks Sergei!