Comments on Russia/Georgia Conflict - Being civil is important

[ting]

Originally Posted by Thor

I read some article a few days ago that speculated in just that, Vladimir Putin in The Hague..

Yep it`s gonna be interesting, and my guess, unpleasant for the Russian self image.

[Adux]

Gents,

My final post here, as I am quite sure there is no use in arguing on the Internet.

Georgia LOST, The victors make the terms.

Adux

[Hellfish]

Originally Posted by Danskeren

Who should loot Gori ?
Gori own citizens ?

I suspect it was the South Ossetians, honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Gori's citizens looting their town either.

[Adux]

Originally Posted by Danskeren

Who should loot Gori ?
Gori's own citizens ?

Who looted Los Angeles, during the Riots?
Who looted Iraq establishments, after the fall of Saddam?

Own citizens can loot, as it has been established.

[RomanS]

Originally Posted by Thor

How nice of the Russians to come in and create "order" in the way of killing civilians and robbing foreign journalists at gunpoint.

Thats us, barbarians

[Danskeren]

Originally Posted by Adux

Gents,

My final post here, as I am quite sure there is no use in arguing on the Internet.

Georgia LOST, The victors make the terms.

Adux

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[Kowakian ML]

Originally Posted by Thor

There were no looters. The city was practically emptied. Watch tv footage.

If city was emptied, how it was possible to kill civilians?

[erebusjr]

Originally Posted by Hellfish6

I'm gonna make my little speech here.

1. I apologize to Russia. You guys were a lot more restrained and civil than I thought you'd be. Congrats on your victory - just don't get carried away with it. Victory tends to breed overconfidence - look at what happened to the US since Desert Storm.

2. Georgia, you're dumbasses. I understand your frustration with the situation, but you picked a fight with the wrong people and you got slapped the fuck out for it. I doubt this will settle anything for you, and I hope you've learned your lesson.

3. From what I've heard, Russian counterintel ops have been outstanding. I read a report that said the Russians captured the Georgian saboteurs scouting out the tunnel between North and South Ossetia and kept it quiet - the Georgian operation went ahead expecting that tunnel to be secure. Imagine their surprise when it wasn't. Georgia failed to plan accordingly, and suffered a humiliating defeat because of it.

Where did you read or hear about those Russian ops ? Now that the war is almost over, it would be very nice to know about the operations carried out by both sides..

[Hellfish]

Originally Posted by erebusjr

Where did you read or hear about those Russian ops ? Now that the war is almost over, it would be very nice to know about the operations carried out by both sides..

It was on Tank Net.

[asch]

Originally Posted by Danskeren

Who should loot Gori ?
Gori's own citizens ?

familiar with "power vaccum" concept and it's consequences?

[Adux]

Originally Posted by Thor

International Human Rights Organizations and journalists report of massive massacres carried out in South Ossetia by Russians/Ossetians.

How would they kill, their own citizens? Did America do 9/11. If Americans didnt kill their 3000 people for Oil, I am sure the Russians also didnt kill nearly 2000 of their own for Georgia.

Quite a lot of members of this forum, was wondering on the first day of the conflict, where those MLRS rockets were landing on the first day. The casualties were 1400 dead, with 60 South Ossetians Fighters dead, and 13 Russian peacekeeprs dead. This was before the arrival of the 58th Army. Where do you think those Rockets fell. Pictures are right here on this forum. Those deaths now have been confirmed.
Georgian Troops used Area clearing weapons on Civilians. Genocide.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Hellfish6

3. From what I've heard, Russian counterintel ops have been outstanding. I read a report that said the Russians captured the Georgian saboteurs scouting out the tunnel between North and South Ossetia and kept it quiet - the Georgian operation went ahead expecting that tunnel to be secure. Imagine their surprise when it wasn't. Georgia failed to plan accordingly, and suffered a humiliating defeat because of it.

Interesting if that's the way it happened. To me it looks like a really poor Georgian performance is behind their military debacle. This might change though as the numbers come in. There seem to be one exception, they seem to have managed to deny Russia Air Superiorty, which if it proves to be true is impressive on their part, or perhaps unimpressive on Russia's part.

Originally Posted by Kowakian ML

If city was emptied, how did they killed civilians?

The news report, narrated by a reporter who was there, said the remaining civilians were instructed to show white flags, otherwise they would be shot.

[Danskeren]

Originally Posted by asch

familiar with "power vaccum" concept and it's consequences?

Yeah, but why did the Georgian police and military flee Gori in the first place ?
And later the citizens of city.. ?

[Kilgor]

Originally Posted by Adux

Georgian Troops used Area clearing weapons on Civilians. Genocide.

So what about Gronzy ?

(and FYI I dont give a rats about the Chechen's)

[erebusjr]

Originally Posted by Kowakian ML

If city was emptied, how it was possible to kill civilians?

No civilians were killed in Gori. And Thor you should watch the news a bit more from sources you can obtain. SO troops are present in Gori and have been accused of looting. It was in then news yesterday in BBC. In fact, its very possible that the Skye reporters mugged were done by SO troops.