Cameron on spin cycle.

[LazyLob]

Oh lordie, here we go. Not that it was unexpected. November 5th is 2 days away and I won't be burning good old Guido.

Not so long ago:



and now:

David Cameron to tell voters: no vote on Lisbon Treaty
David Cameron is to tell the British people that a Conservative government will not give them a referendum on the European Union’s Lisbon Treaty.

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
Published: 9:30PM GMT 02 Nov 2009


The Tory party leader’s admission, which could come as early as Tuesday, will bring accusations that he has broken clear promises to grant a popular vote on the treaty.
Mr Cameron gave voters an “iron-clad” promise in 2007 that a Conservative government would hold a popular vote on Lisbon.

And, in May this year, he said: "A progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people. We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty."

But today Mr Cameron gave his clearest signal yet that he will not hold a popular vote on the treaty, which creates the post of EU president and ends more than 50 British vetoes over European policy.

Mr Cameron said that once the document is endorsed by all 27 EU members and comes into force, it will “not be a treaty” and will instead be part of European law.

The last obstacle to the ratification of the treaty is likely to be removed today when the constitutional court in the Czech Republic rules that the treaty is compatible with the country's laws.

Once the Czech court approves the Treaty, all that remains is for Vaclav Klaus, the Czech President, to sign it.
Mr Klaus has repeatedly tried to block the treaty, but has now said he is prepared to sign it.
Mr Cameron has publicly urged him to hold out, but yesterday he said: "I had always hoped that President Klaus wouldn't sign but it seems that times are changing."
Tory sources said the Conservative leader could now formally abandon the referendum pledge today, even before the Czech leader signs.

“We have to realistic and once the Czech court rules, we will have to accept the new reality. We might not wait for Klaus,” said a Conservative source.

But last night Mr Cameron's suggestion that no referendum would be possible on a ratified treaty antagonised some Tory Eurosceptics and could anger voters who believed a Conservative Government would give them a vote..............read on in link below it's quite soporific

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...on-Treaty.html

[Stevey1]

I'd always thought that Cameron had only promised a referendum if the Lisbon Treaty had not been ratified. I think a renegotiation alternative may work OK for a furture Tory PM. Labour will, with breathtaking hypocrisy, try to attack this in order to shift Tory votes to UKIP.

Of course the real villains here are Labour.

Through them we now have: An un-elected PM (in position because Blair promised that he'd serve a full third term ), trying to get a Labour man to lead Europe (Unelected) while denying the British people a referendum when promised. An on the news today we have the inept Chris 'Y-Fronts' Bryant attacking the Tories. Hello? Whose actually in Government at the moment?

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

Originally Posted by Stevey1

I'd always thought that Cameron had only promised a referendum if the Lisbon Treaty had not been ratified. I think a renegotiation alternative may work OK for a furture Tory PM. Labour will, with breathtaking hypocrisy, try to attack this in order to shift Tory votes to UKIP.

The Tories have indulged in a lot of flowery talk on this subject but even all the Tory diehards that I know believe that it was all bluster. I see UKIP getting a few more Tory votes in the South West of England.

[Red-Phos]

He is a Idiot,Gordon Brown is a Idiot,Nick Griffin is a bigger idiot bollocks to it 99% of Politicians in the UK are Idiots.We cant win who ever is in charge.Wouldnt mind a 2nd attempt on the 5th.

[Stevey1]

Originally Posted by Bacilluspolymyxa

The Tories have indulged in a lot of flowery talk on this subject but even all the Tory diehards that I know believe that it was all bluster. I see UKIP getting a few more Tory votes in the South West of England.

Well I believe if the treaty had not been ratified before the next GE and if the Tories won that there would have been a referendum.

I'm not a massive Tory supporter, but this current Labour Government is beyond bad on so many levels I genuinely think that Brown has to be one of the worst PMs we've ever had.

Farage of UKIP has an unfortunate demeanor, but actually speaks quite well. Unfortunately, a vote for UKIP may keep Brown in power another five years and I hope its a trap that the Uk electorate don't fall into!

[LazyLob]

Originally Posted by Red-Phos

He is a Idiot,Gordon Brown is a Idiot,Nick Griffin is a bigger idiot bollocks to it 99% of Politicians in the UK are Idiots.We cant win who ever is in charge.Wouldnt mind a 2nd attempt on the 5th.

Phos for prez.