Israel seeks German funding for new missile cruisers

aed1980 · 11-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Navy wants Berlin to assist in purchase of two Meko A-200 vessels worth over half a billion euros. New ships to be fitted with state of the art weapons systems, new Aerospace Industries missiles

Arie Egozi
Published: 11.03.09, 18:05 / Israel News

Israel is seeking partial funding from Germany in order to acquire two new missile cruisers worth over half a billion euros. Germany helped fund the purchase of two Dolphin submarines used by the Israel Navy.

The new ships will be outfitted with state of the art weapons systems made by both Israel and the United States, giving them the ability strike various class vessels and submarines as well as inland targets.

The vessels the Israel Navy is interested in are Meko A-200. The 300-foot cruiser can carry a crew of 120 and travel at 27 knots (about 31 mph).

Meko A-200 ships are usually fitted with advance detection and weaponry systems and the new ships are likely to carry the new Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Barak-8 missiles. The 13-feet missiles have a 43-mile range.

According to foreign publications the navy is close to finalizing the deal. Meko vessels are stealth vessels, meaning they have traits making them less visible to enemy radar.

The vessels will also be outfitted with drones and other unmanned aircrafts for the purpose of intelligence gathering.

deathil93 · 11-03-2009, 12:50 PM

kinda old news mate...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=167477

but as I see, I guess we changed our minds and realized that asking 100% free ships is too much, still, I think were asking for too much... the Germans already funded our entire submarine fleet, even if partially...

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 12:52 PM

So the Israeli Navy is acquiring a frigate... now that seems like a change in doctrine.

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deathil93

kinda old news mate...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=167477

Actually the fact that the navy is interested in a frigate is new.

Up untill now it was thought that we were going for the MEKO A-100 corvette.

Navor · 11-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Can somebody explain to me why the Israelis keep asking for finacial assitance from us when it comes to their naval projects? I mean I got the feeling that this behaviour is quite offensive. I would undertsand if it would come to some vital arms like SAM Systems or so but Naval projects dont seem that urgentcompared to Air Force and Army

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Navor

Can somebody explain to me why the Israelis keep asking for finacial assitance from us when it comes to their naval projects? I mean I got the feeling that this behaviour is quite offensive. I would undertsand if it would come to some vital arms like SAM Systems or so but Naval projects dont seem that urgentcompared to Air Force and Army

Why is the navy any less vital than other military branches?

Israel is located in the Mediterranean Basin and heavily relies on the shipping routes. Also a strong naval force would help Israel boslter its military capabilities and improve operational flexibility.

Not long ago it was also reported that Israel is reinstating its amphibious capabilities and I don't think it is a coincidence that at the same time the Israeli Navy is seeking to strengthen/improve its fleet.

As for you viewing Israel's request as "offensive", well then I guess you should direct your complaints to the German government as it decides whether to oblige Israel's request.

As I have stated again and again, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head. Germany can simply say no to such a purchase yet it seems that it has an interest in such a deal due to the dire strait in which its shipyards are currently in.

Redox · 11-03-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Navor

Can somebody explain to me why the Israelis keep asking for finacial assitance from us when it comes to their naval projects?

Because there is a chance of getting it.
Cant blame them for it.

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Originally Posted by GiladS

Germany can simply say no to such a purchase yet it seems that it has an interest in such a deal due to the dire strait in which its shipyards are currently in.

I agree with most of your statements, still this is a little simplistic.

One has to add that it is somewhat harder for Germany to say no to Israel because of historic reasons.

Navor · 11-03-2009, 01:16 PM

But why are the Isrealis are trying it anyways? Thats the problem

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Navor

But why are the Isrealis are trying it anyways? Thats the problem

Why should Israel not strive for the best possible deal?

Bacilluspolymyxa · 11-03-2009, 01:19 PM

I do understand and support Israels right to defend themselves but to go cap in hand like a third world nation and but claim to a first world nation is kind of farcical.

GB_FXST · 11-03-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Navor

But why are the Isrealis are trying it anyways? Thats the problem

I doubt that funding assistance would be requested if there was certainty of its denial.

In other words, someone in Israel believes that someone in Germany will be receptive to the request for financial assistance.

I am not sure how the request in itself is offensive to Germany. You may not like the German policy on Israeli arms acquisitions, but Germany, after all, is a democracy and you can voice your opinion on that policy.

Navor · 11-03-2009, 01:24 PM

ok id like to have those Heron UAVs fro free at best a dozen of them.

Actually something like this would acceptable

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacilluspolymyxa

I do understand and support Israels right to defend themselves but to go cap in hand like a third world nation and but claim to a first world nation is kind of farcical.

Can't one claim the same regarding U.S military aid?

Fact is that Israel is seeking the most profitable deal.

The Germans make excellent ships and they are willing to sell them to us at a bargain price. So why should Israel not go for it?

This has nothing to do with being a Third World nation or a First World nation but simply good economics.

GiladS · 11-03-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Navor

ok id like to have those Heron UAVs fro free at best a dozen of them.

Actually something like this would acceptable

I'd be willing for such a deal... too bad we aren't the ones calling the shots.

However you do bring up an interesting point, perhaps there's more to such a deal than meets the eye?

Navor · 11-03-2009, 01:31 PM

Thats the whole the Israelis Soldiers and hardware are higjly regarded here.But our dumb politicians are thinking that working in the past is more effective than collaborating on the same level. As I said give us Herans and Harpys and will build those ships. No problemo

11-03-2009, 12:36 PM	#1
aed1980 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Zionist entity Posts: 636	Israel seeks German funding for new missile cruisers Navy wants Berlin to assist in purchase of two Meko A-200 vessels worth over half a billion euros. New ships to be fitted with state of the art weapons systems, new Aerospace Industries missiles Arie Egozi Published: 11.03.09, 18:05 / Israel News Israel is seeking partial funding from Germany in order to acquire two new missile cruisers worth over half a billion euros. Germany helped fund the purchase of two Dolphin submarines used by the Israel Navy. The new ships will be outfitted with state of the art weapons systems made by both Israel and the United States, giving them the ability strike various class vessels and submarines as well as inland targets. The vessels the Israel Navy is interested in are Meko A-200. The 300-foot cruiser can carry a crew of 120 and travel at 27 knots (about 31 mph). Meko A-200 ships are usually fitted with advance detection and weaponry systems and the new ships are likely to carry the new Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Barak-8 missiles. The 13-feet missiles have a 43-mile range. According to foreign publications the navy is close to finalizing the deal. Meko vessels are stealth vessels, meaning they have traits making them less visible to enemy radar. The vessels will also be outfitted with drones and other unmanned aircrafts for the purpose of intelligence gathering.

11-03-2009, 12:50 PM	#2
deathil93 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The giant cheese cake in Israel Posts: 75	kinda old news mate... http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=167477 but as I see, I guess we changed our minds and realized that asking 100% free ships is too much, still, I think were asking for too much... the Germans already funded our entire submarine fleet, even if partially...

11-03-2009, 12:52 PM	#3
GiladS Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A small country that makes a lot of noise Age: 21 Posts: 3,854	So the Israeli Navy is acquiring a frigate... now that seems like a change in doctrine.

11-03-2009, 01:00 PM	#5
Navor MP.Net Kölschkönig & Rhineland Ambassador to The League of Cantankerous Old Farts Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,147	Can somebody explain to me why the Israelis keep asking for finacial assitance from us when it comes to their naval projects? I mean I got the feeling that this behaviour is quite offensive. I would undertsand if it would come to some vital arms like SAM Systems or so but Naval projects dont seem that urgentcompared to Air Force and Army

11-03-2009, 01:16 PM	#8
Navor MP.Net Kölschkönig & Rhineland Ambassador to The League of Cantankerous Old Farts Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,147	But why are the Isrealis are trying it anyways? Thats the problem

11-03-2009, 01:19 PM	#10
Bacilluspolymyxa Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,005	I do understand and support Israels right to defend themselves but to go cap in hand like a third world nation and but claim to a first world nation is kind of farcical.

11-03-2009, 01:24 PM	#12
Navor MP.Net Kölschkönig & Rhineland Ambassador to The League of Cantankerous Old Farts Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,147	ok id like to have those Heron UAVs fro free at best a dozen of them. Actually something like this would acceptable

11-03-2009, 01:31 PM	#15
Navor MP.Net Kölschkönig & Rhineland Ambassador to The League of Cantankerous Old Farts Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,147	Thats the whole the Israelis Soldiers and hardware are higjly regarded here.But our dumb politicians are thinking that working in the past is more effective than collaborating on the same level. As I said give us Herans and Harpys and will build those ships. No problemo