PC Indulgence = Death at Fort Hood

[Geezah]

After reading through some of the comments and condolences on the Fort Hood shooting thread, I came across this interesting comment by BAMF.

Originally Posted by BAMF

As a Muslim and an avid supporter of US troops deployed fighting extremists around the world, my deepest thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims. I was reading the comments on Alarabiya.net and it was surprising to see many of the bloggers saying that treachery is not a trait that Muslims have and most of them were curious about why a commissioned officer would do this horrible act if he wasn't forced into the military........ It’s a shame that this traitor had been allowed to enlist, I know many Arabs and Muslims who would join the fight against radical Muslims if they were given a chance. It is sad to say that the greatest enemies of Islam are Muslims and stupidity………

RIP to the fallen soldiers.

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I had actually thought about whether or not Muslims in the US army are commited to their job or their religion first, and why would this guy have such a hard time being deployed to Afghanistan, when there are other Muslim Countries that have deployed troops there.

I'm pretty sure I read a while back about British Muslims in the British Army?

Obviously, the idea that all Muslim are alike, is somewhat overboard(but a normal reaction to these events).
My Sifu is/was Muslim, but had found alot in common with Christianity(and talked about converting), one of my Father's closets friends in the UK is a Muslim and works for alot of the Sheiks and Princes in London.

I guess my point is, it's refreshing to read the comment above from a Muslim MP.net member, who shows that not all Muslims are alike, and as always, it's the minority that spoil it for the Majority.


Again, please no flames, I'm only interested in serious discussion to the events that have taken place, and Mods, if this thread needs to be removed, please go ahead and do so.

RIP to the fallen, and I wish those that were injured a speedy recovery.

[West Texican]

The US military has the conscientious objector status for when religion and duty conflict. There may be some grayness in the rules but for the most part it works. I myself would not allow the conflict to go to the point of confrontation. If my religious beliefs conflicted with my duty I would request conscientious objector status. If denied then I would do my duty and follow orders. By following the procedure and stating my position to my commander I feel I would be true to my religion even if my duty conflicted with it. Personally I feel a soldier gets some slack with the Lord, if the soldier does his duty honorably. The last part is just my opinion.

[Connaught Ranger]

As this is the internet can answers to such a thread question even be verified

Or taken as a genuine?

To bring some balance would it not have to run in conjunction with the question:-

Are you a Soldeir first or a Christian?

Are you a Soldeir first or a Buddist?

Are you a Soldeir first or a Hindu?

So on and So forth.

Connaught Ranger.

[California Joe]

From what I've read and heard about this joker it looks to me as if...

-He was happy enough to get six years of high quality training in his vocation at the militaries expense.
-He was never very "pro military".
-He was deeply effected by the stories told to him by his PTSD patients.
-He was a coward that did not want to be deployed in harms way.
-He used his religion as a crutch or an excuse.
-The closer he got to deployment the more he retreated inwardly and the more radicalized he got.
-He was allowed to basically meltdown for months in front of other officers, enlisted members and superiors and no one thought to raise an alarm that this guy might not be wrapped too tight and could become a threat to himself and others.

JMO.

[Geezah]

Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger

As this is the internet can answers to such a thread question even be verified

Or taken as a genuine?

To bring some balance would it not have to run in conjunction with the question:-

Are you a Soldeir first or a Christian?

Are you a Soldeir first or a Buddist?

Are you a Soldeir first or a Hindu?

So on and So forth.

Connaught Ranger.

Maybe you misunderstood my post, or maybe the thread title should be changed.

We saw violence erupt a few years back from Sgt. Hasan Akbar when he killed two and wounded 14 of his brothers in arms, and if I remember correctly it was over his disagreement with the war.

[Ordie]

Does this mean we should ban postal workers from the military?

[shhfiles]

Originally Posted by California Joe

From what I've read and heard about this joker it looks to me as if...

-He was happy enough to get six years of high quality training in his vocation at the militaries expense.
-He was never very "pro military".
-He was deeply effected by the stories told to him by his PTSD patients.
-He was a coward that did not want to be deployed in harms way.
-He used his religion as a crutch or an excuse.
-The closer he got to deployment the more he retreated inwardly and the more radicalized he got.
-He was allowed to basically meltdown for months in front of other officers, enlisted members and superiors and no one thought to raise an alarm that this guy might not be wrapped too tight and could become a threat to himself and others.

JMO.

Exactly!!!!! PC be damned...This could have been prevented...

[seraosha]

Originally Posted by Ordie

Does this mean we should ban postal workers from the military?

FFS, what is your major malfunction?

This guy was a wingnut that used Islam as an excuse to cover his crumbling grasp on his mental health, and those around him didn't do an intervention when they should have.

Find a scapegoat for your imbecility somewhere else.

[walford]

Politically-correct double standard may have spawned mass murder at Fort Hood by Muslim soldier
A Muslim soldier, Nidal Hasan, shot dead 12 soldiers and a civilian at Fort Hood yesterday, shouting the Muslim expression "Allahu Akbar." But in an absurd display of political correctness, media reports barely mentioned the religion angle, choosing instead to highlight the fact that the killer was an "army psychiatrist" or the false claim that he was a veteran with PTSD (which he wasn't: he never even served overseas). Oh, those violent psychiatrists!

Now, we read that he had previously said that Muslims should rise up against the military, "repeatedly expressed sympathy for suicide bombers," and engaged in hate-speech against non-Muslims, publicly calling for the beheading or burning of non-Muslims, and talking "about how if you’re a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire." But nothing was done to remove him from a position where he could harm others...

...in the military, soldiers get punished for bigotry all the time -- except for this guy. The courts have held that hate-speech or speech that "discriminatorily harasses" others can generally be criminally punished in the military, unlike in the outside world, and accordingly, white supremacists get disciplined for their views. (So, too, do soldiers who express disloyalty to their country or merely contempt for their Commander in Chief.) But not this soldier, who was more dangerous than your typical white supremacist...

Bending over backward to not offend Muslims for the fact that they are over-represented when it comes to religious-motivated mass-killing has cost lives.

It is they who need to own to the fact that "Allahu Akbar" would likely cause more panic if shouted in a crowded theater than yelling "fire" -- and for good reason.

[hulaku]

Originally Posted by walford

Bending over backward to not offend Muslims for the fact that they are over-represented when it comes to religious-motivated mass-killing has cost lives.

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And may I point out that this is not just an American phenomenon but a fact in most democratic nations with Muslim populations.

[demotivater]

And you're about to see PC in action when you get a heap of **** for posting common sense.

[Ordie]

Originally Posted by seraosha

FFS, what is your major malfunction?

This guy was a wingnut that used Islam as an excuse to cover his crumbling grasp on his mental health, and those around him didn't do an intervention when they should have.

Find a scapegoat for your imbecility somewhere else.

My apologies for my remarks.

[Soldat_Américain]

Originally Posted by California Joe

From what I've read and heard about this joker it looks to me as if...

-He was happy enough to get six years of high quality training in his vocation at the militaries expense.
-He was never very "pro military".
-He was deeply effected by the stories told to him by his PTSD patients.
-He was a coward that did not want to be deployed in harms way.
-He used his religion as a crutch or an excuse.
-The closer he got to deployment the more he retreated inwardly and the more radicalized he got.
-He was allowed to basically meltdown for months in front of other officers, enlisted members and superiors and no one thought to raise an alarm that this guy might not be wrapped too tight and could become a threat to himself and others.

JMO.

QFT...Seraosha, I think Joe hit it on the head. He used his religion as an excuse, but we're also using it as his reason for doing what he did and not looking at the other factors involved.

[Ritual]

PC or not Walford nailed it.

[Atlantic Friend]

Originally Posted by walford

Bending over backward to not offend Muslims for the fact that they are over-represented when it comes to religious-motivated mass-killing has cost lives.

It is they who need to own to the fact that "Allahu Akbar" would likely cause more panic if shouted in a crowded theater than yelling "fire" -- and for good reason.

Muslims are also over-represented when it comes to being victims of terrorism...