WWII victory monument and polish soldier

LeMat · 02-19-2005, 02:29 PM

I have a question for all of You. Russians are building a monument to commemorate victory in WWII. There will be figures of russian, american, british and french soldiers on it. This monument will be important part of 60 th anniversary of the end of WWII. In Poland there is huge discussion because we feel offended that there is no place for figure of polish soldier. Poles think that we were more important during WWII than France (no offence) and there should be also polish soldier on this monument (french soldier too). We feel that this is political blow made by Putin because our country is getting stronger, richer and is a political rival for Russia. Also we think that it is effect of our support to Juschenko on Ukraine and Russia want to punish us for our support to Ukraine.
So what do you think?
Please - no flame this is just a poll to find what people from different parts of world think about that.

SHAM · 02-19-2005, 03:18 PM

If they put a polish soldier they should put all the other countries,..and then there would be no room, didnt polish soldiers wear allied uniforms? and fight in allied armies? what i am asking is what would make a polish soldier stand out from the other allies for a statue?

LeMat · 02-19-2005, 04:01 PM

Poles had their own armies and uniforms. Also fi I remember correctly our armies (on wester and eastern front) were 4th of size - bigger than french army.

Dima-RussianArms · 02-19-2005, 04:10 PM

Why polish soldier?
Why not chineese, australian, canadian, french etc? What makes polish soldiers more special?

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this is political blow made by Putin because our country is getting stronger, richer and is a political rival for Russia.

You have also forgot to mention "more nationalistic" which is the real reason for all that nonsense.

Do you even realize how ridiculous "stronger, richer, political rival" sounds?

Do you think that having several thousand troops in Iraq that were moved there and financed by the US (lets avoid term "mercenaries") and military that is mostly equiped with the old Warsaw Pact hardware makes Poland "strong"?

"Rich" - well, everything is relative....

"Political rival" -

How can possibly Poland can be a political rival to anyone? It has neither money, natural resources nor military power to influence anyone.
What have happened in Ukraine would have happened there with or without Polish support and approval. Things have changed from within.
It is just like saying that October revolution wouldn't have happened without Germany...

We all now that polish people don't like Russia, fine with me, I have said it many times before: "we could care less"
Somehow I think Putin has bigger things to worry/think about than "Oh my God, Poland is growing stronger and richer!!!!"

Why is it so hard to comprehend that russians don't care more about Poland than they do about Honduras or Belize???
We honestly do not, trust me, why dont you get it?!
Poland is just a small country in Eastern Europe, there many others like it...
Guys, you are not unique, special or different in anyway, come to peace with that.

I understand that every country needs a "national idea", yours, as one might conclude based on this board, is hatred/dislike of Russia for whatever reasons.

You like to talk about democracy and freedom so much when in fact your country have simply changed masters and has no free political will of its own.
Poland is just like a little kid who wants to play a game and be seen as cool but the only way into the game is to be associated with the Big Brother, so much for national pride...

My post is not meant to offend but rather give a "reality check".

bloddyaxe · 02-19-2005, 04:11 PM

Why are they putting a french soldier on it? Would be more logical if they put a Norwegian one instead... or a Mongolian..

Brzeczyszczykiewicz · 02-19-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dima-RussianArms

Why polish soldier?
Why not chineese, australian, canadian, french etc? What makes polish soldiers more special?

Nothing. But we had the 4th largest Allied army, thousands of our soldiers died fighting for other nations' interests and since the WWII ended all we hear from our beloved Allies is "f*ck off, we don't want to remember about you".

And this monument should commemorate ALL allied countries, not only the those mentioned.

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this is political blow made by Putin because our country is getting stronger, richer and is a political rival for Russia.

omg, best quote ever

Herrmannek · 02-19-2005, 04:46 PM

Anyone know that Soviet soldiers shouldn't be on that monument at all.
Soviets were allied with Nazis and they meaningfully helped in killing of that 6 mililons of people on polish occupied teritory by backstabing Poland in sept. 39.
I spit on that miserable scumbags who first murdered and robed us and later because attacked by their fellow criminal called for help of interenational community and with its help they managed to save their sorry ass, to rob us again for 50 years and claiming to this day that they rescued everyone from opression. I hope this lies will turn against every scum who uses it.
That makes that monument totaly irrevelant and i'm happy polish soldiers aren't helping in propagating that lie even more.
Le Mat there is no point in making such topics, there is that old true that "lies has very short legs". Just prepare popcorn and comfy chair to watch it sliping and falling face down on the pawement...It will be great entertainment.

Dima-RussianArms · 02-19-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brzeczyszczykiewicz

And this monument should commemorate ALL allied countries, not only the those mentioned.

I agree with you 100%.

LeMat · 02-19-2005, 05:00 PM

@Dima-RussianArms

You didn't understand me.
I didnt write stronger and richer than Russia but stronger and richer than before. Putin don`t want our country to be strong.
We are political rivals - we always were. For example Ukraine - it was diplomatical fight and we won.
Poland isn't some small country in Europe - is one of the bigger countries.
Our GDP per capita is about 80% higher than yours.
I donn't want to say that we are empire. But people in Russia don't want to understand that Poland isn't some small poor country wihout any respect. Every day we are getting richer, and stronger and that hurts some people who dream about new soviet Russia.

@Brzeczyszczykiewicz
So what about Ukraine? You have to claim that Poland and Russia has completely different interests in the area of Ukraine, and other countries in that part of Europe. So that mean we are rivals.

Herrmannek · 02-19-2005, 05:06 PM

Sryy for my explosion.. I would say that in much nicer way....

SHAM · 02-19-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeMat

Poles had their own armies and uniforms. Also fi I remember correctly our armies (on wester and eastern front) were 4th of size - bigger than french army.

But after the germans passed through, didnt they fight in the british army and therefore look like a british soldier, i.e. british uniform with a polish badge and british tin hat? so you could say there will be a statue of an allied soldier, when u consider how polish, british, indian etc etc would have wore the same uniform to a certain extent. And as everyone else says, if they are gona single out poles they might aswell put a statue of every other country who took part...the list is very long.

LeMat · 02-19-2005, 05:14 PM

No. It was polish army. We had english battledress but it was polish army. Also in Russia we had our own army - not in russian uniforms.

Dima-RussianArms · 02-19-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LeMat

@Dima-RussianArms

You didn't understand me.
Yes I did very well.

I didnt write stronger and richer than Russia but stronger and richer than before. Putin don`t want our country to be strong.
PUTIN DOESN"T CARE ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

We are political rivals - we always were. For example Ukraine - it was diplomatical fight and we won.
We are not "political rivals", we don't even play in the same league...

Poland isn't some small country in Europe - is one of the bigger countries.
Our GDP per capita is about 80% higher than yours.
Dear, Russia is Hilton/Marriort, Poland is "mom and pop bead & breakfast", does this get the message across?

I donn't want to say that we are empire. But people in Russia don't want to understand that Poland isn't some small poor country wihout any respect. I I have told you already, read my lips: PEOPLE IN RUSSIA DON"T CARE.
Why don't you get it????

Every day we are getting richer, and stronger and that hurts some people who dream about new soviet Russia.

Ridiculous and retarded at the same time.

SHAM · 02-19-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LeMat

No. It was polish army. We had english battledress but it was polish army. Also in Russia we had our own army - not in russian uniforms.

Yes i understand what ure saying..but if you put a statue of a polish soldier in british battle dress on the same statue as a british soldier it would look the same. so esthetically as a monument statue, polish soldiers will be covered.

Herrmannek · 02-19-2005, 05:23 PM

Everyopne knew this will be flamebait so ..
Dima if Putin doesn't cares tell my why most of his public speaches in that or other way touches polish topic. After his failure in Ukraine he went personal onto Kwasniewaki and our statistics like unemployment , etc.. I'm sure he prepared for that, esspecialy if he is not interested, how he could know such detailed data when some local russian reporter asked him "totaly random question"

about that. Late note of ministry of foregin afairs also points that someone in cremlin even if not cares is making Poles main foe of the nation

, Ah and i would forget about those oil cuts on pipelines from russia to us... I tell you dima Putin is very interestedin polish maters and even he don't care about us he is using us for his political games on for local use.. And lets say that on Loud he doesn't Like Poles

View Poll Results: What do you think about described situation?
Polish soldier should be placed on the monument and this situation is politically motivated.	9	31.03%
Polish soldier should be placed on the monument but this situation isn't politically motivated.	5	17.24%
Polish soldier shouldn't be placed on the monument but this situation is politically motivated.	2	6.90%
Polish soldier shouldn't be placed on the monument and this situation isn't politically motivated.	13	44.83%
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02-19-2005, 02:29 PM	#1
LeMat Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 439	WWII victory monument and polish soldier I have a question for all of You. Russians are building a monument to commemorate victory in WWII. There will be figures of russian, american, british and french soldiers on it. This monument will be important part of 60 th anniversary of the end of WWII. In Poland there is huge discussion because we feel offended that there is no place for figure of polish soldier. Poles think that we were more important during WWII than France (no offence) and there should be also polish soldier on this monument (french soldier too). We feel that this is political blow made by Putin because our country is getting stronger, richer and is a political rival for Russia. Also we think that it is effect of our support to Juschenko on Ukraine and Russia want to punish us for our support to Ukraine. So what do you think? Please - no flame this is just a poll to find what people from different parts of world think about that.

02-19-2005, 03:18 PM	#2
SHAM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,813	If they put a polish soldier they should put all the other countries,..and then there would be no room, didnt polish soldiers wear allied uniforms? and fight in allied armies? what i am asking is what would make a polish soldier stand out from the other allies for a statue?

02-19-2005, 04:01 PM	#3
LeMat Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 439	Poles had their own armies and uniforms. Also fi I remember correctly our armies (on wester and eastern front) were 4th of size - bigger than french army.

02-19-2005, 04:11 PM	#5
bloddyaxe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Iceland, glorious empire of Posts: 2,336	Why are they putting a french soldier on it? Would be more logical if they put a Norwegian one instead... or a Mongolian..

02-19-2005, 04:46 PM	#7
Herrmannek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Poland, Festung Breslau, Car Trunk: In the rear with the gear, tip: Never Forget Poland Age: 28 Posts: 12,153	Anyone know that Soviet soldiers shouldn't be on that monument at all. Soviets were allied with Nazis and they meaningfully helped in killing of that 6 mililons of people on polish occupied teritory by backstabing Poland in sept. 39. I spit on that miserable scumbags who first murdered and robed us and later because attacked by their fellow criminal called for help of interenational community and with its help they managed to save their sorry ass, to rob us again for 50 years and claiming to this day that they rescued everyone from opression. I hope this lies will turn against every scum who uses it. That makes that monument totaly irrevelant and i'm happy polish soldiers aren't helping in propagating that lie even more. Le Mat there is no point in making such topics, there is that old true that "lies has very short legs". Just prepare popcorn and comfy chair to watch it sliping and falling face down on the pawement...It will be great entertainment.

02-19-2005, 05:00 PM	#9
LeMat Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 439	@Dima-RussianArms You didn't understand me. I didnt write stronger and richer than Russia but stronger and richer than before. Putin don`t want our country to be strong. We are political rivals - we always were. For example Ukraine - it was diplomatical fight and we won. Poland isn't some small country in Europe - is one of the bigger countries. Our GDP per capita is about 80% higher than yours. I donn't want to say that we are empire. But people in Russia don't want to understand that Poland isn't some small poor country wihout any respect. Every day we are getting richer, and stronger and that hurts some people who dream about new soviet Russia. @Brzeczyszczykiewicz So what about Ukraine? You have to claim that Poland and Russia has completely different interests in the area of Ukraine, and other countries in that part of Europe. So that mean we are rivals.

02-19-2005, 05:06 PM	#10
Herrmannek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Poland, Festung Breslau, Car Trunk: In the rear with the gear, tip: Never Forget Poland Age: 28 Posts: 12,153	Sryy for my explosion.. I would say that in much nicer way....

02-19-2005, 05:14 PM	#12
LeMat Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 439	No. It was polish army. We had english battledress but it was polish army. Also in Russia we had our own army - not in russian uniforms.

02-19-2005, 05:23 PM	#15
Herrmannek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Poland, Festung Breslau, Car Trunk: In the rear with the gear, tip: Never Forget Poland Age: 28 Posts: 12,153	Everyopne knew this will be flamebait so .. Dima if Putin doesn't cares tell my why most of his public speaches in that or other way touches polish topic. After his failure in Ukraine he went personal onto Kwasniewaki and our statistics like unemployment , etc.. I'm sure he prepared for that, esspecialy if he is not interested, how he could know such detailed data when some local russian reporter asked him "totaly random question" about that. Late note of ministry of foregin afairs also points that someone in cremlin even if not cares is making Poles main foe of the nation , Ah and i would forget about those oil cuts on pipelines from russia to us... I tell you dima Putin is very interestedin polish maters and even he don't care about us he is using us for his political games on for local use.. And lets say that on Loud he doesn't Like Poles