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Old 09-28-2009, 06:48 AM   #23941
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They're probably drawing a distinction between company tests / state tests and it being used by line units in exercises or something *shrug*

Imagine the agony when the PAK FA finally flies, it'll go through a battery of manufacturer tests for years, then state tests, then by somewhere around 2015-2020 it might enter service.
Why so surprised for long development, modern fighters are very complex weapon system and they require long time to achieve full development and full operational capability it is not different in western program (look at F22, Tornado,EF2000,Gripen, Rafale etc); PAKFA will not be different if the requirements will not be reduced or focused to essential ones.
Another issue: more companies involved more time required.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:18 AM   #23942
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Can anyone post a picture of a confirmed P-500 Bazalt next to a P-1000 Vulkan? I want to look at the difference.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:34 AM   #23943
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Can anyone post a picture of a confirmed P-500 Bazalt next to a P-1000 Vulkan? I want to look at the difference.
P-500



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very informative link about soviet/russian cruise missiles
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Cruise-Missiles.html
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:36 AM   #23944
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They look the same. Are there any distinguishing external features?
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:42 AM   #23945
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They look the same. Are there any distinguishing external features?
As i understand, only internal ones...
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:51 AM   #23946
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P-500 BAZALT
Article with many more photos: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/chelo...500/bazalt.htm


P-1000 VULCAN
Article with many more photos: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/chelo...1000/index.htm


Both missiles came from the same factory (PO STRELA in the city of Orenburg)
Article about PO STRELA: http://www.testpilot.ru/orenburg/strela.htm

And last but not least:
The Manufacturers website: http://pa-strela.com/
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:56 AM   #23947
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Yeah, it looks awesomely futuristic.
It looks like something from goddamn Mechwarrior ;P great
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:22 AM   #23948
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Система С-500 будет элементом стратегической противоракетной обороны - замглавкома ВВС

МОСКВА, 28 сентября. (ИТАР-ТАСС). Разрабатываемая зенитно-ракетная система С-500 будет элементом стратегической противоракетной обороны, сообщил 26 сентября в прямом эфире радиостанции "Эхо Москвы" заместитель главкома ВВС РФ по ПВО генерал-лейтенант Сергей Разыграев.
"Система С-500, которая находится в разработке, будет иметь возможность уничтожать ракеты средней дальности, оперативно-тактические ракеты, а также сбивать ракеты в ближнем космосе и таким образом будет носить элементы стратегической противоракетной обороны", - сказал он. "Стоящая на вооружении система С-300 пока, например, не способна уничтожать оперативно-тактическую ракету по скорости", - отметил генерал.
Существует градация зенитно-ракетных систем: "дальнего действия, средней дальности, малой дальности и непосредственного прикрытия", пояснил он. По словам Разыграева, по целям на дальнем расстоянии должны работать С-400, на средней дальности - С-300, малой дальности и ближнего действия - "Панцирь-С". Для систем непосредственного прикрытия существуют "переносные комплексы и новые системы, которые находятся в разработке и появятся "в самые ближайшие годы", сказал генерал.
Как сообщил 16 сентября в Астрахани главком ВВС России генерал-полковник Александр Зелин, "мы работаем над перспективной, качественно новой системой С-500, которая не является продолжением С-400". "Идет плановая работа, задействованы наука и специалисты, - отметил он. - Думаю, что эта система в ближайшее время появится".
"С-500 предназначена для поражения тех классов оружия воздушного нападения, которые сейчас находятся в разработке у ведущих мировых держав. Система нацелена на то, чтобы к моменту появления новых типов комплексов поражения, у нас должна быть готова система, которая ответит вызовам того времени", - сказал генеральный директор НПО "Алмаз" Игорь Ашурбейли.
Разыграев заявил, что Россия не пойдет по пути создания многофункциональных комплексов ПВО, которые могли бы противостоять одновременно всем видам угроз из воздушного пространства.
Source: http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=76111&cid=25

Rough translation (with my limited skills in Russian language and some help from the online translator).

Russian speakers, please correct any mistakes. Thanks.

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System S -500 will be the element of strategic antimissile defense
Moscow, on September 28. ([ITAR]- TASS).
"The antiaircraft-missile system S -500 will be the element of strategic antimissile defense" reported on September 26 on the radio station of " Echo Moskvy" the deputy of main command (glavkoma) of PVO (Air Defense) lieutenant general Sergey Razygraev. "
The system S -500, which is being developped, will have the possibility to destroy intermediate range rockets, medium-range rockets, and also bring down rockets in near space and thus it will bear the elements of the strategic antimissile defense , he said. " The current system in our arsenal S -300 thus far, for example, is not capable of destroying medium-range rocket ", General noted.
There is a grading of the antiaircraft-missile systems: " long-range, medium distance, short distance and point-defense", he explained. According to Razygraeva, for the longer range they must work with S -400, at the medium distance - S -300, short distance and neighbor action - " Pantsyr-S". For point defense, there are mobile complexes and the new systems, which are found in the development and they will appear in the nearest year" said the General.
As reported on September 16 in Astrakhan by the central board VVS of Russia colonel general Alexander Zelin, " we work at the promising, qualitatively new system S -500, which is not an upgrade of S -400". " Planned work is on schedule, science and specialists are begun to operate, he noted. The S -500 is intended for the defeat of those classes of the air attack weapon which are now being developped by the leading world powers. Our system is aimed to be finished before the entry in service of the weapons it is designed to defeat" said the Director-General of NPO Almaz, Igor Ashurbeyli.
Razygraev stated that Russia will not spare anything to create multifunctional air defense complexes, which could resist simultaneously all expected threats from the airspace.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:26 AM   #23949
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A series of 2008 and 2009 photos of the hydrofoil VLADIMIROVETS highlighting the MEDVEDKA antisubmarine weapon complex.

This ship is based in Sevastopol (Black Sea).



















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Old 09-28-2009, 09:39 AM   #23950
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NANUCHKA corvettes in Kamchatka 2009. Photos by Marinka.



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Old 09-28-2009, 09:41 AM   #23951
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Navy parade, June 1954. The cruiser ADMIRAL NAKHIMOV (SVERDLOV class)

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Old 09-28-2009, 09:53 AM   #23952
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STEREGUSHY firing Kh-35 URAN antiship missile

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December 2008.
Corvette ALEXANDROVETZ in Sevastopol.



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Old 09-28-2009, 10:40 AM   #23954
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To The Armenian:
It's Vladimirets, not Vladimiriovitz.
Russian ship shouldn't have a jewish name
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:53 AM   #23955
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It's Vladimirets, not Vladimiriovitz.
Russian ship shouldn't have a jewish name
All in all the real problem lies in the fact that Russians have to transliterate cyrylic letters on latin On another note I prefer to write "c" for Russian "ц" over anglicized "ts" (english speaking nations do not have letter that would phonetically resemble slavic "C/ц" at all.)
It is just matter of personal perference. Anglo-saxons are really butchering Russian words when They are trying to present them in latin alphabet using their own phonetics.

P.S sorry for off-top rebjata
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